Do you plan on going back and editing EVERY other houseguests placement as a returning houseguest based on their placement of their competition finish and/or vote or you just going to continue to champion cameron for some oddly specific reason?
We're not doing this specifically because of Cameron. The Battle Back has it's own specific rules that don't apply to every other buyback due to being a special kind of buyback itself. It was identical to Redemption Island from Survivor last season, and this season it was still extremely similar. So, due to that similarity, we're using those rules here, because that is what we think is correct. If proven wrong, it will be changed back to original eviction order.
^ I think you mean last season's Battle Back because it was more similar to Redemption Island whereas the two latest evictees go head to head in a duel where one will be eliminated and one will move on. Then he/she faces the next evictee, and so on and so forth. This season's Battle Back had all of the evictees battle head to head where half of them would be eliminated the first round, and another one in the second. I'm really not sure what point you are trying to make because I feel this BB19's Battle Back is equivalent to the jury buyback, with just a minor alteration where there would be two rounds instead of one (aka the Head of Household competition). To say this season's buyback is extremely similar to Redemption Island makes absolutely no sense if you think of the format of Redemption Island itself.
Yeah but Cameron, Jillian, nor Cody were transported to somewhere else like Redemption Island; where once someone was voted out of their tribe, they were immediately transported to RI, thus not out of the game entirely. In BB19, three evictees were out of the game and were sequestered for a couple of weeks, thus they were out (but not entirely though). Also, Cameron didn't really "enter the house", he only entered the backyard, so why should he even be bumped up to 14th in the first place just because of some dumb competition?
I know I said I wouldn't come back here but I just want to say that I agree with Teal.
And when the evictees are sequestered, they are by themselves, so I don't understand what you're saying about UK players. Hence why Cameron, Jillian, and Cody did not know Dom was the evictee that week. Plus if you go back and rewatch the BB18 Battle Back episode, you will clearly see that Glenn, Jozea, Victor, Bronte, and Tiffany were sequestered in their own house, away from the other evictees. Each round of the Battle Back was a shock for each competitor because they had no clue who was evicted. That's exactly how BB19 worked. Cameron was sequestered since his eviction and he didn't know who was evicted after him until Julie revealed them on the eviction episode with all 4 evictees.
And that's true, however, they are still in the game and they're not sequestered by themselves like in Big Brother. When the players are evicted from Big Brother, they're evicted from the game and sequestered away from the game.
If somebody is voted out and goes to RI, they can give information to the previously voted out player about what happened in the game. On Big Brother, you are out of the game and you have no contact with the other evictees, thus not giving you any outside info. The only way you get info is IF you win the buyback. So I understand some of the comparisons to Redemption Island, but RI and Battle Back are very different when you really think about it.
I never said that this season's Battle Back was like Survivor's. If you read what I said clearly, you would see where I said last season's Battle Back is identical to Redemption Island, and this season it is still very similar. So we've used the same rules.
I understand where all of you are coming from because I have personally had this argument with my friends who watch BB all the time. We agreed to just settle it as "Wait for real confirmation." On this wiki, we're doing it the way that we think it should be done, and then once we get confirmation we either had it right, or we were wrong and will change it to the correct way immediately.
Yes I have. But it seems ridiculous to compare Redemption Island to the Battle Back. Battle Back is actually more similar to the Outcast Twist than Redemption Island, so I think that you shouldn't use Redemption Island as your argument. And why do you guys keep comparing Survivor and Big Brother. They are not similar in the slightest. It seems to me the only valuable evidence you have given for your argument is the Survivor argument. I've said my piece and I feel as if you are not taking what I say into account. I think we should put Cameron in 17th and the change if notified.
And I'm not the only one on this wiki who has voiced my concern over this. It makes much more sense to have Cameron at 17th and I haven't seen any evidence from your side to potentially prove that you may be right.
That's fair but I still think you are wrong and the majority of the wiki does as well. And don't say you never compared it to Survivor, because both you and Scoop did. You guys deleted all the comments from the pages in which you stated that.
Survivor and Big Brother are extremely similar. The format that we have seen since Big Brother 2 was based on the popularity of Survivor. Survivor is essentially the reason that Big Brother has turned into the game that we all love watching today. But that's not the point.
We compare them because, this has never happened before on Big Brother. So, we would assume that since it has happened on Survivor multiple times, that is the way it should be done. And if we're wrong, it will be changed.
Fair, but you know what happens when you assume....
Instead of using Survivor as a precedent, maybe use former Big Brother buybacks as a precedent, and then change his placement to a higher placement if notified. If we followed normal BB rules, NOT survivor rules, Cameron would be 17th. If CBS notes otherwise, then we can move him up
I understand what you're saying, but in this case no one is right or no one is wrong because there has yet to be any official confirmation. So we, as a wiki, are putting what we think is correct. It might not be what you think is correct, but it's not going to change until there's official word of it.
I have been on the opposite end of this before, because I thought that the competition on the premiere night was an Immunity Comp, but the wiki has it listed as a Hit The Road Comp. If official word comes in saying that it was the former, then I know it will be changed immediately. If it ends up being the latter, then they were right the whole time.
I think that instead of continuously arguing about it and making a variety of comments and threads, we just leave it alone until we get confirmation. Because otherwise this can go on and on and on with the chance that we never even get confirmation. I don't wanna be deep into BB22 and still be arguing about someone's placement from BB19 just because CBS or BB never gave an official statement.
And I understand what you're saying, but I feel as though, and many others on this wiki, that Cameron should be placed at 17th until confirmed otherwise. It seems a little suspicious that the people in charge would rather put Cameron at 14th and wait until we get confirmation because I think we can all agree that Cameron does not deserve to be placed above three people who lasted more days than him. Cameron literally spent 12 hours in the house and the majority of the people on this wiki agree he should be back at 17th.
I know that I have come across as rude in my comments, but I think that since the majority of people would rather have Cameron at 17th, that is where he should go. And I know it shouldn't be what I feel is right, but what I feel is right is what the most people here feel is right. It seems like you and others on this wiki are doing what YOU want and not listening to the majority of people here. And I don't think we'll ever get confirmation, so why leave it up to what you feel. I say, majority rules and it seems to be the majority is saying Cameron at 17th.
I will keep arguing this point unless CBS says otherwise, because I know I'm not the only one on this wiki that believes Cameron is 17th. And I still have yet to see any valid evidence for the reasoning behind Cameron being at 14th. So, just some advice to maybe end the controversy, put Cameron at 17th and then put him at 14th if CBS or BB confirms it. It makes more sense to put him at 17th and like I said, it seems suspicious that you and many others would want to place him at 14th, AND THEN switch him IF CBS says anything. I think there is blatant favoritism being shown towards Cameron, and you can agree or deny this all you want, but this is what I've perceived from the entire ordeal.
Just know, less bickering will be on this wiki if Cameron is placed where he belongs, at 17th.
Why wouldn't he be placed back at 17th??? THATS WHAT HE PLACED. Who gives a crap if Megan quit, she quit after he was evicted. Clearly you are biased towards Cameron and are upset that he didn't place wherever you wanted him.
Literally how ridiculous is this! This is blatant favoritism. Are you gonna bump Jacob up in BB9 because of Neil quitting??? You make zero sense and I will gladly vote on the poll, but I wouldn't be surprised if that's rigged by you guys who are obvious Cameron supporters. And yes, I liked Cameron too, but that doesn't mean I'm gonna place him higher than 3 people he didn't place above like WTF xD
Well I'm become very annoyed with this wiki. I looked to you guys for so much information, and after all this has gone down, I realize that you are not a reliable source of information.
And I'm sorry for acting this way, but I'm literally so angry with all of you. It is clear to me that whatever attempts I try to prove to you guys that Cameron should be 17th you immediately shoot down and try to prove how it could not be possible. So can you really blame me for thinking you're showing favoritism?
And I checked the poll. Seems to be 50/50, fine but I don't give a crap about others opinions. I want to see what CBS and BB say because than I'll believe it. And the poll description was a little ridiculous: "We have a disagreement with a Redemption Island twist" Really? Why couldn't you simply ask: Where do you think Cameron placed. The way that you guys worded almost seems you're trying to convince people that it is similar to RI, which will then prompt people to choose 14th.
Even after stuff is decided on, if you put Cameron at 16th, I will demand that Jacob from BB9 be bumped up to 15th because of Neil quitting. I will not simply sit back and watch the wiki hand out unfair placements because of their own bias.
I don't have control over anything except what I edit. I didn't make the Twittter poll, all I did was vote on it. None of this is being done because of bias. The wiki is still a reliable source of information regardless of any minor discrepancies. At the end of it all, I don't think there's really any need to be angry or annoyed with anyone. This has spiraled way out of proportion. I'm not trying to shoot you down, I'm just trying to justify the decisions being made.
I understand. And I will admit I have been acting a little ridiculous, but I guess I just wanted to voice my concern and I was getting upset because it felt like people weren't listening.
I'm sorry for being this way and I understand why you've been trying to justify it, but I'm done fighting. Like I said before, I'm just done with the wiki and I'll get my info somewhere else. There's no point in me coming back here and trying to persuade people to do something, and yes I could be wrong.
With all this being said, I'm disappointed in the wiki, but also disappointed with the way I acted. Sorry for feeding into the controversy, but I'm not the only one who believes Cameron should be in 17th place. Maybe when the wiki becomes a more understanding place, I may return but as of right now, this wiki is meaningless to me but I'm still wishing you all the best. Goodbye and thanks for taking my concerns into consideration lol jk xD But seriously, goodbye!